[quote=@Kho] Enjoy [img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/0c3c19191e8692b564a0eaa34d8d15d8/tumblr_mjh963QReu1s0hnxko1_500.gif[/img] Invictus and Fate didn't even create Undasis, they just called her forth from wherever it was she was waiting. Watch how Undasis one day breaks through and finds out who the real creator is. And she finds us all sitting around having this bit of fun while she suffers. Then you'll be toast, Stormy [/quote] Well, I kinda figured that Invictus and his bro Fate weren't the first creators- clearly there is something above them, that's hinted at multiple times in the first post- and I wasn't claiming they created Kraken, either. My idea is that Kraken was already in Undasis' spirit, but he was sort of dormant. After the pain she experianced, he awoke from whatever sort of slumber he was waiting in within Undasis. Basically: Kraken was [b]already[/b] there, but Invictus woke her up. This is backed up by Kraken saying: "...and most of all I am the part of you born from agony" Does that make sense and fit with everything, [@Kho]?