[quote=@Lugubrious] So your Kindred can pick up a bilhook if he feels like it, and thrust to his heart's content, but anyone with any sort of weapon proficiency would be able to beat him. [/quote] No I get that the classes are assigned based on skill not skill assigned based on class but what I want to know is why couldn't a Kindred have been trained in the use of a sword or knife or axe if his backstory justifies it? Also would it be possible for someone to have a stave that they use as a weapon even if they have no proficiency in magic with which to use it's healing properties?