[quote=@Bartimaeus] If I make one of them wear a tophat would that make them grand? They can totally 1v2 even against powered players. Maybe even 1v3. You may think im over-estimating them, but ive barely scratched the surface of the capabilities. Also they have a size of 8feet from tip of snout to tip of tail length. And 4feet high at head when standinv normally. How many should there be? Gotta be 3 or mors. [/quote] If i weren't already contemplating joining the Convergence of Power and taking up Skallagrim's offer to fight, i'd challenge you to a 1v1 right here and right now. Unfortunately, it has now become even harder for me to decide.