[quote=@Raineh Daze] So wrong on count one, wrong on count two, wrong on count three, and a bunch of things that are less significant than characters who simply happen to have a wide variety of swords. FFS, if limited to the first three we have: 1) Suicide attack (Projecting Excalibur is not feasible more than once. Literally. And it's only useful if you USE the thing) 2) Extremely exhausting shield against [i]ranged attacks[/i]. 3) Caladbolg: actually seems to mostly create an explosion. Since it fails to hurt Berserker with a direct hit, Saber being in the explosion radius, or do more than scratch Shirou, it's not actually that huge. Now, Archer's actual use of NP's in UBW? Caladbolg IIwhilst he [i]still has a Master[/i]. There's Rho Aias UBW after that, but that almost kills the guy, and he's not even doing the insane 'charge these things with mana until they break' trick there. Plus it almost kills him. You're exaggerating. [/quote] It barely matters how "crippled" these weapons are compared to their true forms, because their true forms are only not immediate game breakers because of plot armor. Excalibur is one of the greatest swords in the setting almost purely because of its innate abilities (it's almost Red Key-tier sharp and can be swung about as quickly as a damn lightsaber). Our only idea of how "bad" Rho Aias is is when it's compared to motherfucking [i]Gae Bolg[/i]. Even a severely-crippled Rho Aias would be an impenetrable shield on par with just saying "it doesn't hurt me"! Caladbolg, meanwhile, completely ruined Caster in one blow and, even when it [i]didn't beat Berserker,[/i] it turned a large portion of the cemetery they were in into a smoking crater, and then [i]destroyed a hill top with it.[/i] Even severely crippled, Caladbolg is basically a man-portable bunker buster. Beyond that, there seems to be a severe issue with how you've listed them as usable by Ilya. If these weapons very nearly killed the original Archer while using them, why even list them as possible for the apparently weaker Ilya? It's [i]guaranteed[/i] to kill her if she makes them! This is exactly why you need to strictly define what you can summon up and how draining it is to do so. Otherwise we run into situations where Ilya will be able to make objects that the [i]other[/i] Archer very gave himself a hernia doing so. Archer is a Fate powergamer's favorite class, and I'm really seeing a lot of powergaming fuel here.