They're germans. They do both with the same level of intent and voice.

That being said Pyro I do know what youre talking about. Strange in the eyes of Americans, but the best comparison for us yanks, waving a german flag in Germany is like waving the confederate flag in the US. People remember it was one of the worse, most bigoted part of our country. And there aren't a lot who try to look into the history and culture when its been mired by the faults and sins of the past. The only difference is that the German Flag is the national flag, whereas the confederate flag is hardly the flag of the US.