[quote=@Lugubrious] Anything that costs money is not a right, it is a commodity. I don't know what stats you've been looking at, but the economies of European countries right now are downright awful. Only Germany and Britain are even industrial nations anymore. Just look how well socialized medicine is working for Greece at the moment. The military in the US employs millions of people. Cut it off, and you've got even more people stuffed into a poor job market. Plus, there's the whole war going on right now against an extremist group that wants to kill us for our basic ideals of freedom. [/quote] 1. I can say for certain that I have more knowledge than you about this topic, so you do have to believe me. The European countries are doing way better economically than the US. The US loses as much money per day as Germany is in debt. And Greece is like 250 billion in debt. That's basically peanuts. And when people are dying because they cannot afford a doctor this is absolutely unacceptable and violates the first human right. "The dignity of a human being must be preserved" And such a thing is just so backwards. We don't live in the fucking 19th century anymore. And I also think you have a wrong image of health care in Europe. It is not "free" per se. A fixed amount is payed by the Employer and another fixed amount is deducted from your wage to pay to your insurance company, which is only slightly subsidized. 2. To military spending: I think these two graphics picture perfectly what is wrong with the US military spending. [img]https://www.sdvfp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/proposed-dicretionary-fy2013-np.jpg[/img] Military spending of the US vs the rest of the world (washington post) [img]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/01/4A8078449E794DFB8CC33ADD00A6F1AF.gif[/img]