[quote=@PyroDash888] 1. I can say for certain that I have more knowledge than you about this topic, so you do have to believe me. The European countries are doing way better economically than the US. The US loses as much money per day as Germany is in debt. And Greece is like 250 billion in debt. That's basically peanuts. And when people are dying because they cannot afford a doctor this is absolutely unacceptable and violates the first human right. "The dignity of a human being must be preserved" And such a thing is just so backwards. We don't live in the fucking 19th century anymore. And I also think you have a wrong image of health care in Europe. It is not "free" per se. A fixed amount is payed by the Employer and another fixed amount is deducted from your wage to pay to your insurance company, which is only slightly subsidized. 2. To military spending: I think these two graphics picture perfectly what is wrong with the US military spending. [img]https://www.sdvfp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/proposed-dicretionary-fy2013-np.jpg[/img] Military spending of the US vs the rest of the world (washington post) [img]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/01/4A8078449E794DFB8CC33ADD00A6F1AF.gif[/img] [/quote] You're telling me that because you apparently know more than I already, after barely any debate, that I must believe you without sources? I must confess, I've never seen the list of 'human rights' outlined anywhere other than the US Constitution. The one you quoted intrigues me. I suppose 'dignity' means 'health'? People are starting to die in Australia, where socialized medicine has been the norm for a while. So few people are paying into the system, and so many are riding on it, that the government has no money to pay for all the health care and benefits are getting slashed. This information I received in part from a fellow guild member, Caits, an Australian citizen. Please, no need for crass language. I don't remember saying 'free' health care. I know it's not free, because it costs money. That money is paid via taxes, by employers and employees alike, and in some European countries up to 50% of income is taken in taxes, perhaps more. The government then covers the residents. The chart you've cited is 'proposed', and for two years ago. The current administration hasn't passed a budget in years, just continuing resolutions, and here's the current one, from an official site: [img]https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=p3&chs=600x200&chco=cc0000,4040ff,00cc00,cc8800,66cc00,0088ff,00ff70,ffcc88,808080&chf=bg,s,e8e8ff&chd=t:26,27,4,22,10,1,2,1,1,6&chl=Pensions%2026%|Health%20Care%2027%|Education%204%|Defense%2022%|Welfare%2010%|Protection%201%|Transportation%202%|General%20Government%201%|Other%20Spending%201%|Interest%206%&chtt=Federal%20Spending%20for%20United%20States%20-%20FY%202015[/img] That's more on both health care and pensions than defense in the US.