[quote=@Nerevarine] [quote=@Vahir] Khazaria surviving would have wide-ranging effects on Eastern Europe. Primary among which, I think, is that the Russian principalities would have been shielded from the mongol steamroller. The way I see it, this would have two effects: 1. The Russians wouldn't be weakened enough for the Lithuanians to grab all their land, so your Hungary-Poland might exclude things like Galicia. 2. On the other hand, the Russians would never have a reason to unite, so they'd probably be shattered into little principalities anyway. [/quote]Well, as you said Russia would not be united so while the date of the land-grab is ambigious it could happen. You can also say "(alternate) history always finds a way" or the convenient self-correcting butterfly effect to not mess up things further than we want. This is the beauty in the chaotic threads of history combined with author fiat. :lol [quote=@Voltus_Ventus] I was hoping to play a Nation that consists of the Ottoman lands west of Istanbul? Walachia, Serbia, Yugoslavia, Crimea and the such. Or possibly a North Italian Nation consisting of Sardinia-Piedmont, Lucca, Parma, Tuscany and Modena, maybe even incorporate the Swiss. Hmm.. not sure but it's for sure either of those. [/quote]Your first idea is likely impossible with a Polish-Hungarian union and Khazaria around. Especially since half the countries you mention didn't exist and/or were part of the above mentioned two nations. The second idea can work albeit I don't even have the faintest idea how the hell the Swiss are coming into the picture. They're literally at the other end of Europe. [quote=@Vahir] While good ideas on their own, I think we shouldn't use nations that predate the fall of Rome. If the Sea Peoples are still around (And have their own country!), it would really screw around everything else in Europe. I'm going to set a maximum date before which all historical events are unchangeable, possibly the year 0, possibly before or after. The exact cut off date can be agreed to by everyone.[/quote]Maximum date sounds convenient at first but the fact is some changes alter history in a grand way while others are less relevant. If you set the cutoff date to before Constantinople then theoretically somebody can prevent Christianity wideaspread in the Roman Empire thus dictating the religion of Europe in the future. I think a better idea could be that, among possibly other restrictions, you cannot change history in a way which would prevent or radically alter the formation of what we know as the European Culture. Possibly including some key national identities. Germans, French, Italians and several more in Europe, at least. Without these "reference points" of history the whole setting would turn into a gigantic mess where nearly everything can happen and you can convincingly found the "Kingdom of Derpenistan" or create your own type of BS nationalities/religions from scratch.