[quote=@MelonHead] Like I said, T1 only gives examples for very low level characters, T3 at most on the old scale, so it is in my opinion a poor diagram for the average fight on RPG, which tends to be mid or high powered. Hell, they literally only reference sword fighting and shooting a fireball in that system, so its obvious that the prep system in that regard is not appropriate for our use in a literal sense. We've adopted our own version of it for the popular style of fighting here, and it works for the most part. On second thoughts, they don't even follow an appropriate tier scale with their examples, its more like fantasy with human characters that adopt magical abilities. In our system magical abilities ups your tier, which increases resistance, in their version its still essentially humans fighting, so restrictions -have- to be placed on magic and anything else even remotely unusual or ranged or powerful, otherwise you'd just die. It's narrow minded in my opinion. What I'm saying is, in the T1 example it pretty much only applies to two spellswords fighting eachother, and is therefore a poor reference for anything we do on RPG, which rarely if ever includes two people with ordinary physical qualities -and- the ability to launch fireballs. Hell, that argument is broken from the start Khan, you know what also doesn't -exist- in the T1 system in regards to -that- specific article? Guns? Bows? Any high tier? Any other forms of magical attack other than a fireball while sword fighting? Frankly I think sticking to that guide for elements of fighting that it doesn't even cover is ludicrous. Also, I never said anything about magic not requiring preparation, but I think it's equally narrow minded to imagine every form of unusual ability as a type of magic under the same rigid constraints as some fiction. Hell, there's just as many examples of magic which require no preparation, and have a mana cost instead. Also, considering the type of ability launched in the average fight, I think little preparation is fair. Using Full Metal Alchemist for example the average attack is launched near instantaneously, and then takes time to physical interact with an opponent. Its the wide spread attacks that are harder to avoid that need some sort of time constraint. Hell, I'm not even sure what fiction you're referencing when you say 'most magic requires long rituals.' The majority of fiction I've read its almost always been fast. I think the problem is you've always been stuck with the mindset of a form of fiction that doesn't properly fit into RPG, which is strange because you make incredibly powerful physical characters with insanely overpowered spells a lot of the time, but on the other hand expect magic to be nerfed or have some sort of obvious tell. It's like every other character you want to face is a DnD character and your character's a boss or something. Which certainly fits Rilla's theory. [/quote] Actually T1 does cover all tiers of power from T1 realistic fighting, T1 unrealisitic fighting, T1 Moderate Powers(the main area covered in the Arena), and finally, T1 Powered Characters. To say T1 does not cover all tiers is, honestly, ridiculous. As there is in fact a guide that covers exactly that. T1 in the end of the day is just a logic based system, it can't cover everything, no system would. [quote]Also, I never said anything about magic not requiring preparation, but I think it's equally narrow minded to imagine every form of unusual ability as a type of magic under the same rigid constraints as some fiction. Hell, there's just as many examples of magic which require no preparation, and have a mana cost instead. [/quote] What, when did I say all abilities are magic??? You have a bad habit of making bold assumptions off little or nothing. Dude, what is your problem, honestly? I don't understand why you hostile all the time? Making arguments about nothing at all? I only pointed out that the use of charges here would not fly on other websites, then you went all Chris Tucker. Having a bad day fam? HAHAHAHA, oh we can only laugh.