[quote=@IncredibleBee] Then doesn't that just make them fighters? [/quote] ... this isn't a D&D campaign. By that logic, Charlemagne's paladins wouldn't be paladins, and D&D paladins may also not be paladins because of varying features. Classes aren't required to be selected from a pre-approved list of abilities equalling certain classes. >.> [quote=@Boomrocker] In terms of mechanics, then, they are fighters. Large parties often have multiple fighters to serve as front-line defenders while the mages do their work. I fail to see how two fighters are redundant. [/quote] Which makes the addition of a [i]fourth[/i] fighter who occupies the exact same character niche a worse overlap.