[quote=@MelonHead] I'm not really seeing anything supporting the whole 'Apache bow better than Mongol' assertion, other than a test on Deadliest Warrior which is hardly conclusive. Their comparative ranges for example puts the Mongol Bow at half again superior. [/quote] That's it. I'm sick of all this "English bow" bullshit that's going on in Rp system right now. Apache bows deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that. I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine Apache bow in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even shoot through slabs of solid steel with my Apache bow. Apache elders spend years working on a single bow and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest bows known to mankind. Apache bows are thrice as accurate as European bows and shoot thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a English bow can shoot through, a Apache bow can shoot through better. I'm pretty sure a Apache bow could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple blunt arrow. Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering America? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Apache warriors and their bows of destruction. Even during American colonization, British soldiers targeted the men with the bows first because their killing power was feared and respected.