[quote=@Fallenreaper] [@MelonHead] Doesn't negate my point though and it's still valid unless all the examples didn't grow in the story. Which means they only make one time appearances and wouldn't be as rememberable or recognizable. I might be recalling the tier examples wrong since it's been a long time. [/quote] The majority of examples are from films actually, so in terms of power they don't progress much. I've always assumed that when they do reference Mace Windu for example or Trinity from the Matrix they probably mean at their best, rather than when they were children or something.