[quote=Tyki]
((k, but just a warning, jack only out puts a presence when something happens, until then the spear and jack can't be limited because they don't actual have anything to limit. also, the spear's materials make it pretty much unbreakable
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((A limiter decreases magical energy in it's area of effect. Whereas as some specific, more detailed, limiters may latch onto a presence, Odin's are AOE, limiting anything within. They can be set to certain wavelengths as well. Some abilities, like natural strength and speed obtained through non-supernatural means, cannot be limited. And if the spear is really tough, it was still eaten by the Plot Hole. As such, Jack cannot summon a new weapon, or use magic at all, without first breaking through the limiter somehow.))