[quote=Tyki] they're honestly medium range at best... if he gets accepted *looks at the gm*not really, i wanted something that could be used to extend his cod and help him feed in a somewhat cool way and after over a thousand years of practice, do you really think he hasn't gotten precise enough to hit the weak spots and tear through the armor? [/quote] It heavily depends on the weather. In a gale, those things'll be less useful than throwing pebbles. Then again, a vampire throwing pebbles can be quite dangerous......