[quote=@Isotope] That's another part I take issue with, Hael is basically forcing me, Voltus, Willy, and you, to have invaded him in the past. Based on the way our Ceres Sea borders are I just don't see an alternative. Which is confusing, given if he's even marginally industrialized as he claims with such an immense and in large part fertile land to draw a huge population from, he'd be able to oust everyone on numbers alone. I mean he could literally have tech from 1900 and still oust all of us zerg rush style, which makes no sense to me whatsoever. [/quote] Actually, there is one way this might have worked. We all ganged up on him in a big colonial alliance, similar to the Eight Nation Alliance against China. This would be pretty funny considering my nation itself is based partly off Qing China. (Though even then, it would require him to not be fully industrialized)