[quote=@whizzball1] Nini. but but science that's got to be more interesting than politics (mathematics too and grammar) EDIT: After all, are you aspiring to be a politician or an astronomer? [/quote] Astronomer. But my point is that all political discussions are scholarly discussions. All that other stuff that most people do don't even qualify as discussions; I'd call those things political ranting, and on a lower tier, sometimes even ignorant banter. I find politics very interesting, but I wouldn't want to pursue it. But here I am doing exacty what I wanted to avoid. I'm jumping in when I'm too tired to probably even form a cohesive paragraph.