[quote=@Hillan]"Son of batman with the daughter of his greatest enemy, that she had in secret then she trained him to be a super genius and a uber-lord-assassin, making him able to go toe to toe with people who have kicked Bruce's ass up and down the street. (Looking at you, Slade.) While only being ten years old." Someone, please, no. [/quote] Honestly he got better characterization with Grayson as Batman. When Bruce came back it did go back to "Damien's the bestest because he's Bruce's TRUE son". His cameo in Grayson was heartwarming.