[quote=@Caits] it's just so bloody stupid And they ask for references, and my last reference is from two years ago, and hey want one that's "recent, and from a manger" and I'm like...my best friend I volunteer with is a manager...just not where we volunteer So if I kill humanity and start again everything will be okay? [/quote] The issue with starting again is eventually we'll hit this point again. And my last job was three years ago and I'm pretty sure my previous manager is sabotaging me.