[quote=@whizzball1] That's a theological argument I'm not going to get into, because I really don't want to upset Blitz with an argument. But I [i]can't[/i] just do that. Christians are supposed to [i]care[/i] for the people around them, even if they aren't Christians, because no one, not even a non-Christian, is his own. We're not going to [i]force[/i] anyone to do anything, because we all have free will, but we'll do whatever we can to show them the error of their ways before they destroy themselves and ruin the plan that God wants to effect in their lives. Whatever you think of Christians, know this: we're not looking for a feeling of superiority. Our motives are not selfish. We just care. That's all I have to say. [/quote] A) If it's that easy to ruin a plan then you REALLY shouldn't do anything because you might fuck it up by trying to help. B) The fact that you're supporting laws against something means that you're trying to force them not to do it. C) Not purposefully, but there's no such thing as not being selfish. Even selfless things are done for selfish reasons if you go deep enough down, and that's fine. I don't care if you do it for a sense of superiority, that has no bearing. As long as you don't try to force someone to do or not do something, I'll have no problems with whatever you happen to believe. That's true of everyone to me. D) I'll try to put this into perspective. Say that there was a religion or cult of the people who wear frogs as hats and don't watch anime, mlp, or doctor who. They're weird, and don't make sense, but they're harmless, right? But then if they go around yelling at people and trying to pass laws that nobody can watch anime, mlp, or doctor who, then that's a problem, even if they're doing it for what they believe to be good reasons or to help people. And if they go up to you and say "Why aren't you wearing a frog as a hat!?" and acting as if you're doing something horrid, you'd be mad. It's not your job to follow their beliefs, the only people who have to follow them are the ones who believe them. That's about how non-abrahamics view them. E) If you were using accurate studies with actual information, instead of using studies that were blatantly lying, that would be a different issue and I wouldn't be reacting this way. But the combination of the two things pisses me off.