[quote=@knighthawk] As is a repeated commonality, the 'initiate trials' are often a test of mind, body and spirit. Failing any of these usually hedges out even the younglings before they become padawans, then again at the padawan stage before a knight may select a student to teach them. the enclave in KOTOR 1 is an example of the padawan trials where he has to build his lightsber by going to the cave for the crystals is testing the body by combat, then performing the code from memory is a reflection of the mind and last to figure out the disturbace to the north where you meet juhani. saving her from her own darkness is the trial of spirit. Another example of the trials is anakin seeing what is on the datapad, either by seeing into the force for remote viewing or reading the mind to know the answer would both be acceptable tests of the mind. [/quote] So I suppose for her I would have to say she probably failed the trial of spirit I would think. So the question at that point would be, would she have gotten a lightsaber/made a lightsaber? If so would she have forsaken it after joining the Matukai? Or perhaps modified the Matukai weapon so the blade is that of a saber instead of material? Perhaps even neither? I dunno, I'm just thinking out loud at this point haha. As for age, again I'm not sure on when initiates are entered or how long it's been though. For the life debt idea, I just thought about that one a bit more as I was writing. Would that still be with her being a failed initiate? Or would that be her being born after Order 66 or not old enough to go to the temple yet?