[quote=@DrewVonAwesome] Nope I meant what I said... I GAVE YOU A CHANCE KL! YOU DIDN'T TAKE IT! I'D TOLD YOU I'D SHOOT! BUT YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE ME! WHHYYYYYYY WOULDN'T YOU BELIEVE ME?!!?!?! [/quote] An F4 without Johnny in there for the origin and solo wouldn't have worked with what you wanted to do for the rest of them [like making geniuses all teenagers...] and I didn't wanna step on any toes since you had another player already down for whatever iteration you came up with. I wish I'd have saved the CS and posts somewhere, but the initial idea I had was based off of a failed tv series centered around a solo Torch with a new origin tied to the golden age android Human Torch and his creator. The voice I gave Sue in my posts and calling Johnny 'little brother' carried over to 3D Man's older brother. --- On a side note, no takers for an Archangel team-up? He needs to meet more people before he does anything with the broader universe and teams and the like... If nothing else I could dust off 3D Man and introduce another Skrull secret agent disguised as a lame villain for the team up. I really didn't wanna do much with him with the Skrulls coming up down the line but one more secret agent wouldn't hurt. ~KL~