I think both. Ha ha. Yeah. Ha ha. Imagine what the test run of him and Kat will be like. Ha ha. She will kind of nod and smile. "My father taught me when I was 17. Didn't use any of it for about another 17 years, but he taught me when I got to 'marrying age.'" She'll answer, "Then again we lived out of the way, and we were a reclusive sort" Oh that could be fun. Then I'll sit there wondering.