[quote=@Kangaroo] Probably something like 2-3 months. It only died in the end because the GM left so disputes couldn't be resolved. The player group were pretty committed. [/quote] Interesting. Interesting indeed. In other news, I'd like to announce that I'll allow "secret" alliances in PMs. Just PM someone a conversation asking them for an alliance and if they say yes its an alliance and if they say no its not. You can also do this with proposals or something you just don't want to post in the IC but involves another nation. Speaking of posting in the IC, will someone please do that?