[@1Charak2] "t [b]but skill drain for some reason forces me to pay life points for my archfiends[/b] even with pandemonium up? Yeah, no, I don't think he's saying that at all. EDIT: Context, Ammokkx... Anyway, Skill drain doesn't negate the paying aspect outright, since effects can still be activated. But that isn't the issue, it's the fact that Pandemonium is on the field and he STILL needs to pay.