[quote=Ichthys] I personally think a few distinctions need to be made.Are we talking about with those sexual orientations, of those who identify with either orientation or that are the orientations?Also, once that distinguishment is made, in what meaning of the word are we using "discrimination" (and the related words)? What do we mean when we use it? Are we comparing the items and saying one is better than the other? Are we simply saying they are different but equal? Perhaps the word is even being used in another meaning?Finally, once those two distinctions are made, what is really being debated here, using the prior distinctions to figure this out?As an outside observer, I'm confused over where some of the civil debate has headed, so I'm asking for these distinctions for my sake and the debate's sake. [/quote] I think that what I mean is that one "item" is different, and flawed in the specified way of being "homosexual" but that the "item" is equal to the other flawed, but heterosexual item. It's like, I believe that homosexuals have a different sin than I do, but I don't believe that I"m better than they are, even though my sexuality is what I consider better than their's. Sexuality is important, but it's not an indicator of who is better than whom.