[quote=@Dirty Pretty Lies] I do understand that men don't have it easy, but the judging goes both ways. For example: if a woman were to approach a guy and express interest, [b]she will most probably be considered desperate[/b], fast or easy. As for the whole 'guy is expected to pay for dates, gifts and such', that can sometimes be because the guy is too proud to let a girl pay for things. I'm the kind to spoil my boyfriend with gifts and pay for everything on dates, but I've found myself with guys who refuse for me to do so because they don't feel comfortable with it. So, in my opinion, it's something that depends from person to person. :) [/quote] l actually covered this in my other thread, I'll give you the excerpt and then the full link for convenience. I speak with no arrogance when I say I know a lot better than these women and men who push these ridiculous 'social dating conventions' ***************************************************************************************************************************************** 2. [b][u] HEY GURLS IF YEW APPROACH THE DUDE FIRST THEN IT SEEMS DESPERATE, IF HE LIKEZ YOU HE WILL COME TO YOUUU DERP[/u][/b] [img]http://y-magazine.com/magazine/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/tumblr_inline_nhgg5mO1Mv1rkbzyh.gif[/img] NO, not nessecarily, he might think you are super beautiful and the second coming of hideyoshi (haha) but he's not going to approach you if he's[u] SHIT SCARED OF TALKING TO YOU[/u] or [u]SHIT SCARED OF BEING REJECTED[/u], or I dont know,[u] DOESNT WANT TO APPROACH SOMEONE RANDOMLY CAUSE HE THINKS HE WILL SEEM LIKE A PEST[/u], there are plenty of reasons a guy wont approach you and none of them mean he doesn't genuinely like you, but its just such a massive risk to put yourself out there and try and be 'laid back, but still enthusiastic' at the same time. Its like the world tells men: [color=f49ac2][b][i]Hey guys don't act like you are all eager to talk to her, be chill about it.....but you still have to say the first thing, be interesting, without being odd, be funny without being too dorky, dont talk too fast, dont talk too slow etc etc[/i].[/b][/color] Girls there is absolutely nothing wrong with going up to a guy you like, its not DESPERATE, it totally depends on what you say, if youre like: [hider=Can I Haz Permission to lick teh handsome face desu?] [color=fff200]OMG I TOTALLY WANT TO LICK YOUR FACE HUSBANDO[/color] [img]http://notsopersonalblog.weebly.com/uploads/1/9/1/0/19105387/460372434.png[/img] [/hider] then yes that's desperate, terrifying even [s]But that doesn't stop you at One Direction concerts does it...[/s] But if you go up to a totally hot guy and are like: [hider=Imagine shes standing up...] [b]Hey I'm trying to pick out a new coat to go with this hat in this magazine, in your opinion which looks the least hipsterish? :P[/b] [img]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8c/d9/e9/8cd9e9bf653196cb4430e25aa8bdc2bc.jpg[/img] [/hider] Then no one is going to think you are a desperate or loose, or easy, you are just being social, its not a 'sign'. ******************************************************************************************************* Here is the link to the full thread. [url]http://www.roleplayerguild.com/topics/89094-dating-attraction-romance-and-the-good-bad-advice-that-goes-with-it/ooc#post-3187605[/url]