It might be a more interesting argument to discuss the laws being put in place in Uganda or Russia's oppression of gays and see if anyone wants to justify those things, tough my guess is 'not likely' given that the Guild really isn't the place to find extremist psychos. I troll (off guild) for such psychos in other parts of IRC (off foonetic; I'm talking about much older networks that have populations dating back to the bad old days) to find the sort of argument I think a lot of people on here are hunting for, but that's me personally. [quote=mdk]When the creationist said to you, "Science is conflicting with science" (let's face it -- he said it), what was your response? If you were a clever man, and you are, your response was that science contradict science. At most, one discovery might necessitate deeper investigation in order to ascertain the truth, and to reconcile (and amend) the things we know with regards to the new information -- but never , science doesn't do that. [/quote] I'd actually say that science is in the process of constantly correcting itself as more information comes in, which is precisely what science does and what it was designed to do. I find it very humbling in that respect, it gives you a lively awareness that you can easily be wrong. It'd be a very boring universe if we knew it all or even a lot.