[i]Luckily Crual was able to blink in time to avoid the poison. You know I play another character called Zande who spits venom, and out of the dozens or so fights I've had with him, every single person saw the surprise poison attack coming, despite it being a surprise and all, whether by "luck" or just reflex. It didn't hinder him in the slightest. The escape power does work against magic. Crual dodged the other vampire's spells with ease. They can hurt him, yes, but he is still agile and quick enough to avoid them. It's about as much a weakness as saying a human is weak to a bitch slap. Great, but you can always avoid the person trying to slap you and play it off as skill. Plus, you mentioned that it takes a certain kind of magic to hit him. Etheral, not physical spells. Screw elementals. Oh, how very daring. If the arrow shafts are struck hard enough, the transferred shock could detonate the explosive head. You seem to think it's a privilege for Shash to have lived this long. I think it's the opposite. He's been getting by through sheer wit and skill, as opposed to just vanish/fire repeat, vanish/fire repeat, vanish/fire repeat. He lost an entire arm, and when you only have three limbs, that equals a true disadvantage. I gave my definition of clobber in the initial action. I said it would be strong enough to "put him out of his senses" and "stun" him long enough for the monster to haul him in for a kill. That's my original intent, and that is how strong the attack is. Plus I mentioned that in the least it would also ruin his aim because you know, it's pretty hard to get a clean shot when getting whomped in the arm, bow, and arrows before takeoff. Yes, the bow would get hit too, I mentioned it would in the initial action. Intent and actual description, as opposed to you trying to undermine my actions with details that haven't even been referenced to exist. Details such as Crual's varying arm location (seems to change a lot?), whether his arrows are knocked or not, if he appears four inches in some random direction and how that reduces the chances of him dying to zero, ect, ect, ect. Those are not factors because you did not even remotely include them, and its too late now to start trying to change everything to fit your idea of what happened. You still obviously haven't read anything that I've written so far. How many times must I say it? The tail attack was in progress before Crual appeared, and when he did it would land as he appeared which is also the instant he intended to fire. But the tail had been obviously meant to interrupt Crual. That was the intent. The intent was to interrupt Crual. I implied, through that action, that Shash is capable of doing that and such would be the course of action if not reacted to in time, which of course Crual couldn't do as he was distracted. Must I bring in Mojo Jojo to get my meaning across? [img]http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/scratchpad/images/c/ce/Mojo_Jojo.gif/revision/latest?cb=20120411110010[/img] It does not matter at all what you try to make of it. I made my post with the intent of having the tail whip whomp Crual in time and ruin his shot. I didn't type that maybe it would not land fast enough or that perhaps there was a chance for it to self fail. I typed what I meant to type, and my meaning will not be twisted by nitpicking. Inventing all these little scenarios where it doesn't work means nothing, because I already made it clear what I had wanted to occur and Crual was unable to react to stop it. Now you are only trying to look and exploit all the little nooks and crannies, grasping for handholds. And yes, it did aim for the bow too. Go back and read my post. Here's a snippet. [b] "And even if that didn't occur, of all things, there was always the consolation prize which the beast had set its mind on attaining. The ranger's bow."[/b] And of course the bowstring and arrows are near Crual's chin, so I need not say more. It does not matter for the umpteenth time how fast Crual is or how cheap his insta attacks are. Shash timed it so he'd be hit as he appeared, right as he was going to fire so that it would blow him up or utterly ruin his aim. My version of the events would be... [b]Shash throws rock and begins tail attack / Crual appears, avoids rock and doesn't see tail / Crual tries to fire instantly as he appears, but gets blindsided by the tail attack which had been already in progress and the timing is entirely, completely, factually, intentionally, absolutely, accurate because that's just how timely and fast it is because the intend that was written was for it to be capable of doing such / Elf blows up, or gets knocked silly and torn apart.[/b] Yeah, Crual's fast but that won't help him if he gets sundered the moment he appears. I know that you can spend all day saying that since he fires the arrows right as he appears, there is no way to stop them because its all instant. I say the tail hits him right as he appears instantly and throws off his aim, and I can spend all day saying that too. Oh, and how can you say with a straight face that having the shafts of your knocked arrows pummeled won't ruin the aim? It's common sense that it will.[/i] And I wonder, can't Crual just beat anybody by phasing next to them and insta-firing the arrow barrage? or just phase all around them barraging left and right because he can lock and load whilst ethereal? I don't even think he is even remotely low tier. If he had been against virtually any other low tier character, I don't believe they'd have a chance. This all strikes me as a mismatch. Just a good thing it's yours truly taking the heat rather than some other poor sap who uses a physical character. Anyways, if neither of us budges it is an impasse.