[quote=@Cyclone] Granted the matter of their inclusion os a comparatively minor thing in my opinion, but I'm just stating my honest thoughts regarding their supposed necessity. I'm interested in hearing what the others think. [/quote] Perhaps it's not my place to say, since I left this RP half way through it's lifetime (although I plan on joining the reboot), but I have to disagree. I'm the sort of person who get's very bored, very quickly if I don't have something to strive for- some goal to work towards. I could always strive for Kraken's goal of drowning all you filthy land-lovers, but I think we all know the other gods weren't ever going to let that happen. And I think the same goes for everyone else- without being able to strive for Fate and Invictus, the RP reaches a dead end. Sure, we can go on with godly politics and wars and creations and everything else, but it would just be us doing that FOREVER. Trying to figure out the purpose of Fate and Invictus- or overthrowing them- gives us something to strive for, so the RP doesn't become stagnant and repetitive. It grants a longer lifespan to Divinus. But that's just my opinion. What do you think, [@Kho]?