[@Cyclone] Siighh. Their existence wasn't just thought up by me on the spot, there is a significant backstory - as is suggested in the very first post - and entails a much, much larger world beyond 'the universe'. You and I discussed briefly what lay beyond, the creation of dimension which allow beings from the exterior in and so on. Getting rid of Invictus and Fate would pretty much break the system/world I've got in mind and require either a complete reconfiguration of some kind, or accepting it as a pure sandbox RP with no significant overarching plot, or universe beyond what players decree IC, which can be chased. (Lugubrious was in fact going after that over-arching plot and would have succeeded in having it kick in somewhat). While I agree, someone like Ialu would probably not be interested in it at all (though he did seem rather determined to find out who the 'Mighty One' was and take his advice when given etc.) other characters, like Escre, Vowzra, even [s]whatshisfacechaosguy[/s] Vestec, may well have been interested. I'm open to what everyone else thinks and will obviously seriously consider everything proposed even if I feel it changes the basis of the universe I had in mind. Edit: Double Ninjad.