[quote=Jorick] -Lots of stuff- [/quote] To your first quote from me I addressed a lot of it afterwards with the whole marriage thing. At least I believe I did. [quote=Jorick]Another example: being happy and thinking happy things is fine, but smiling and laughing are sinful. See how ridiculous it is?[/quote] Can I ask you for a better example? With happiness your smile and laugh is an automatic almost instant reaction, meaning it could happen without you having the time to stop the act from happening. Sexual acts, be they heterosexual or homosexual are not automatic or instant reactions to an emotion or feeling. It is a choice to act on those feelings instead of a bodily reaction. To your second quote, yes I'm sorry if I missed some stuff, weeding it out through skype was a difficult task considering the conversation kept moving. In regards to Zechariah I stated how that one does condone rape, no if's, and's, or's about it. Numbers 31 also has no mention of sex at all. It simply says "But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." I feel that wording there implies a far more long term relationship than just raping and leaving them. same thing with Judges. Obviously forcefully taking a woman as a wife is wrong. But in some Christian denominations (especially if you go back before the reformation) so was divorce. However if you go into Exodus and Leviticus you will find laws regarding how to divorce your wife. Jesus explains about divorce in Matthew 19:8 "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard." Moses permitted a lot of things that Jesus later explained were not what was originally intended. In taking more wives from these others (those who were virgins so as to avoid adultery) The tribes of Israel were able to survive and grow. Many of the laws you find in the Torah were about the Israelites establishing themselves as a nation different from others and that must be kept in mind. Moses, while a great guy and all, wasn't perfect. He had a nation to take care of and expand and he did his best with the stubborn group he had. Was it right? No. In context can you see why it was that way? I can yes. But that is a 100% contextual analysis, meaning what I just said is irrelevant to any defense of fundamentalist ideas. ------- Also just for fun [url=http://littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.ca/2011/07/gay-catholic-and-doing-fine.html] here is an article written by a gay Catholic on his opinion about gay marriage and such.[/url] Like I said, its the guys opinion so its pretty biased and set on Catholic beliefs.