[quote=@Etcetera]
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If we perform an action that would effectively guarantee that he maintains control, but also benefits us, but he reverses the consequences of that action, we may be capable of regaining control.
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-Ruby- What if he only reverses our benefit?
-Soren- We could find an action which intertwines two effects so removing one absolutely removes the other.
-Ruby- What if he instead blocked us from the benefit? And who's to say that we can prevent him from control at all yet? Maybe it depends on the type of control you're talking about.