[quote=@whizzball1] -Ruby- What if he only reverses our benefit? -Soren- We could find an action which intertwines two effects so removing one absolutely removes the other. -Ruby- What if he instead blocked us from the benefit? And who's to say that we can prevent him from control at all yet? Maybe it depends on the type of control you're talking about. [/quote] Some rules cannot be broken. Tie an attack to an absolute and you have won.