[@Zanavy] Hydro Pump vs Baltoy gets STAB & Super-Effective, not to mention it's a 110-power move . . . Of course I don't know the Level of the Baltoy, but in [i]most[/i] instances, I don't think that Baltoy would make it. Unless perhaps this thing is on the verge of evolution or past the point it might have evolved? Similarly with Jingle using Confusion on Koffing? (Though Confusion is much weaker than Hydro Pump, I'd imagine that'd still hurt like heck for that thing.) Not trying to argue. Just wanting to understand exactly how these STAB/Super-Effective moves (especially Hydro Pump) didn't result in utter defeat for these Pokemon. [@Eklispe] Sounds fair enough.