[quote=@Fabulous Knight] [@Muttonhawk]There are non-metal weapons very capable of crushing hard surfaces. Adzes, macuahuitl, Fijian maces, stone maces -- they're all pre-metal, and all very good at getting through material. Would it be fair to say Hain had developed these kinds of weapons, at least for ritualised combat? [/quote] I guess that's a good point (apart from macuahuitl - I was under the impression that they were bladed weapons). I guess the hain would develop these, so inter-tribal violence would become apparent fairly quickly. However, after a long enough past without them, murder would still be serious business. Also, Knight, I love your post and the little story you wrought, so I'm going to be an absolute bastard and nit pick: Hain don't know what aluminium is yet. The closest equivalent would be giant bone (from white giants), and even that would require the tribe to encounter a dead white giant. Though, they do eat aluminium silicates, so if you wanted the food fantasy, you could go for 'tasty rocks'.