[quote=@Lunarlors34] [@Prince of Seraphs] The drastic stop part is what gets me to be honest. I would love to know exactly what could be done to stop it. E.g. could Manami's water magic (assuming she uses a powerful spell) stop it? Because her magic would be vaster and stronger than Dawns, I assume, and thus using fires weakness could stop it? You never specified how hot said flames were, you did say would burn through anything but water doesn't really 'burn' so curious. Plus her water is different to normal water magic to begin with. In essence it's a 'gift from god', and is very good defensive spell wise. (Her attacks are most effective against guys like Nidhogg or the shadow creatures) [/quote] To answer that I think I'll have to wait till after me and the Co-GMs figure out what I should be editing but as it stands now by its very nature this spell [i]can't[/i] be simple to dissipate or else it loses all effectiveness and thus any reason that someone would summon it in the first place. The idea behind Dawn's magic that I had it that it's not actual fire but a controlled fusion burn that manifests as flames. (Those physicists in the audience please don't jump down my throat about how impossible that is, the answer to whatever your objection may be is 'because magic'.) With that in mind that type of fire doesn't need oxygen to burn and so could not be smothered by a typical extinguisher such as water. Yes I realize that sounds overpowered. When I first proposed this I asked for help devising weaknesses and no one responded so I'm still trying to work out the fallibility of this magic. The short answer is the three ShadowHeart Members together could probably cancel it out but it would take a good chunk out of there magical reserve. Bear in mind though that that answer comes before changes that are due to be instigated to what Dawn summoned.