[@Dazsos] If you want your argument to be seen without cluttering up the OOC, I can simply add her to pm's where she can read every argument previously made by us and decipher there. Its for that reason I took our disagreements to pm's, so that we wouldn't need to repeat ourselves, and id personally rather not rewrite everything I've already explained to you. For the sake of the argument I've prepared a small synopsis: 1. I have already said to you multiple times in pm's that Corban has no definitive list of spells. 2. I have already explained his magic to you as well, even going as far to give you short paragraphs of his skill in every other area of magic, and you still insist on your own personal, convenient definitions for [i]my[/i] magic. The cryogenic liquid is not conjuration, it would count as evocation, a primary component of his class. Ice magic would also be well within his area of expertise. Ice is a type of crystal. It isnt 'conjuration', and it isn't illusion. So again stop assuming convenient things about my character for your argument. 3. About your liquid, youre still not understanding the physics behind the defense. It draws away kinetic energy. If something cannot amass any kinetic energy, it can't move, even if you exert force on it. Its a derivative of his kinetic barrier spell I mentioned in pm's. That's why your character can't simply control it anyway even though water is a specialty for him. 4. I already explained this to you in pm's as well, about the clones appearance. All of that would be possible without 'illusory' magic. He applied illusory [i]principles[/i] in that he's fooling your characters visual senses, but not through magical tampering. It's through clever use of his other vocations, particularly transmutation and earth magic. I also explain he can only control the clone if its feet are on the ground, which is a fair trade. You keep trying to label me high-powered, and have been for some time, yet fail to see your characters own power threshold, while ignoring all of my concessions. My first spell couldnt even effect physical materials and was useless as a practical weapon, yet you still had an issue with it being able to stop your unprepped attack that could, by your definition disintegrate magic and physical objects with ease. my clone could only be controlled while on the ground. My original spell only applied to magic and magic-like forces. I let you just eat the rail gun attack as well with no complaints from my end. Your chatacter can eat a rail gunned diamond to the chest, he can fire disintegrative rays over 100 feet with no preps, and can conjure multiple defenses and summons within very short times of each other. A defense I might add, that is absolute and can't be destroyed by anything conceivable since it isn't energy, physical, or even metaphysical. Its a phase of space. I am not convinced you couldn't deal with Corban with everything currently at your disposal in terms of raw power. At every turn, you want more access to your high powered abilities, and I've granted them. You can control gravity, [i]and[/i] teleport. And now you want more based on the small amount of perfectly reasonable things I've done? Yeah, this will have to come down to judge intervention. [@Innue] You are needed. I'll add you to our PM conversation so you can see our full, comprehensive arguments. I am on mobile so id rather not rewrite it all Edit: Turns out I can't add others to Pm's. Not sure if there is any way around this. If required I can quote our messages from PM's and send them to [@Innue] so she can read the Director's Cut version of our arguments. If not, then id hope I've explained enough here for her.