Scanned this page and just wanted to say something I hope others have already noted: The faiths feeding into Judeo-Christianity are built on deep wells cultures, many divided and brought together through their mythos in the form of the Old Testament. These are stories passed down orally through each Hebraic tribe over generations until being written here. Some are written far later, however, in the name of author whose style or point they sought to build after-- like an artist working under the name of their master or a modern graduate student in pysch working under a their Ph.D boss's license. Like the names of the authors which are not always, I dare say usually, [I]literal[/I] many of the books in both testaments are commonly regarded are deeply metaphorical by past and modern theologians. In other words, the people who study the Bible and the cultures feeding into it, as well as the people actually invested in the cultures, recognize that not all of this is attempting to state a fact. Much is merely meant to translate a message through the stories, wisdom thought worth keeping. Quoting each bit and declaring it clearly states X for all of us is lot like going to tribe we know very little about short of a deep reading of their texts and saying we totally get what they mean. [B]We don't[/B]. We did not see the physical center of our culture and religion taken a razed, we did not serve in bondage for several generations for being of that heritage, and we did not experience the elation of escaping that bondage. There is more to understanding these texts than simply reading them and following some Americana interpretation. There are absolutely bits, sorry, leagues of this book that turn women to objects submit them sexually to men -- oh yes. And rape is often used as a tool by people therein, and many of the heroes had killed, raped, and blasphemed horribly. There are also bits that are passages which are entirely symbolic and offer few, if even, explanations as to their meaning -- oh wait, those are the quotes from Jesus. There are many lenses we need to switch between in reading a text that is part cultural narrative, part historical record, and part mythos. Declaring the entire thing does or does not condemn something like rape is a difficult as one could view the laws as merely historical record of an old system or laws still in effect today. Some say Jesus reduced the many laws, but the detail with which he did so is somewhat vague and bound to lead to other interpretations. So maybe instead of bastardizing the texts, we could talk about how American culture bans rape and victimizes survivors. Maybe we could talk about the reduction of women into objects thousands of years after these texts y'all are observing. We could even talk about the OP, which is about a group I think we can all detest together.