[quote=@Vocab] [@TheWindel][@KoL] first things first, I can't help but feel you just pinned the blame for part of this on Spriggy... After the new team assignments, he has had no influence over this and I don't want to drag him in. He shouldn't be involved in something that is not his fault, so leave him out of it. [/quote] This is just as much as Spriggs' fault. KoL and I have known Spriggs for a while and quite frankly, his behavior has seemed to cause more and more grief as time goes on. Apologies if this sounds a bit harsh, but please don't go assuming things especially when you've only known Spriggs for a short while. If you're not trying to gripe, then you continuing this conversation contradicts that since you obviously want to continue this until someone apparently "wins". By the way this is going, no one is going to win. But you are correct in that this has gone on for too long. Just don't say that with the mentality that someone has to "win" because that makes me think you just want an excuse to keep this prolonged. If what you say is true in that you don't want this to escalate, then drop it. You saying any more is no longer contributing. If you absolutely have to say something because "someone has to win", take it to the PMs. I will not respond to you if you don't. This never sounded like a debate to me but rather you bringing up random points to complain about. And from the perspective of KoL and I, that looks like you trying to stir trouble.