[quote=@Hael] Oh, no, I meant that a regular army couldn't detect them. Lifprasil will detect, but he'll struggle a good bit. Here's why: [i]-They use soul manipulation to hide the presence of their spirits. -The use magic to hide themselves from mystical detection. -They use telepathy to hide their emotions/thoughts/minds from detection, meaning that even a Demigod like Lif will struggle to feel their thoughts. -The use the shapeshifting to disperse themselves into an invisible cloud -They fly way up into the air, so Lif won't notice them at all unless he is also flying, literally moves into one, and manages to notice the change in atmosphere when he enters its body. [/i] That's not to say it can't be done. They are not all-powerful. It's just that you'll ultimately need to change the environment. If it's too hot and dry (a desert, for example) shape-shifting becomes more difficult. Furthermore, they rely on magical currents in the universe to feed themselves (that's right- they eat magic), so if you limit the amount of magic in the air, they'll land and become solid out of desperation to find nourishment on the ground. So, it is very difficult, but possible. What Lifprasil will need to do is first find out [b]where they are[/b] (an extraordinary task in its own right), then suck the magic right out of the air before they can run away, then change the environment at least temporarily. If you succeed, they should first become solid to find nourishment, then get STUCK as a solid because the environment isn't right for shifting. Congratulations, you are now the proud slaver of a very frightened and confused lifeform who cannot shapeshift away from you. [i]You monster[/i]. [/quote] I'm not saying he wants to force them into anything, but rather allow them the opportunity to join him in making a better future for sentient-kind. Lifprasil was made to accommodate sentients rather than use them as toys, more or less slaves. The tl;dr version of this is Lif just wants to be your bestest friend.