[@Fabulous Knight] Uhuh. Morgoth, who inserted himself into the first song to create discontent. Morgoth who tricked Manwe for a pardon after he was defeated and imprisoned. Morgoth, who spread sweet lies and falsehoods amongst the Noldor. Morgoth, who convinced Ungoliant to do his dirty work, kill the Trees of Light, steal the goddamn Simarils, and assassinated Finwe. [quote=@Fabulous Knight] [@Dawnscroll]Not in terms of relationship, in terms of character. Sauron with the just-as-planned scheming, Morgoth with the "raaargh I mar you!". [/quote] *smacks him upside the head with the collected works of Tolkein* Heretic.