[quote=@Fabulous Knight] [@Dawnscroll]That sounds about like Vestec to [i]me[/i]. [@Hael]No. I'm just a guy pressing buttons when this one book tells me to. I only speak Chinese, anyway. [/quote] Sauron and Morgoth/Melkor have the exact same planning and style of manipulation. Morgoth through lies and whispers and stealing (See Dawnscroll's list of his accomplishments), and Sauron through his rings and other such things. The Nazgul, Haradrim, Numenoreans, Saruman, Easterlings, and Celembrimbor are all examples of this.