[quote=@Vordak] [@MelonHead] Say, is the push done before or after Gigue had put his foot down on Sigurd's shoulder? [/quote] Depends when he did it. Sigurd's waiting until Gigue's 'sit up' almost brings him vertical to throw him because it's when he's most top heavy. I would say probably after. It's not really mentioned in my post because Sigurd's arm is strong enough to lift Gigue's entire weight almost twice over, so his shoulder being 'clamped down' is sort of inconsequential.