[quote=@Morden Man]
[@Lord Wraith]

[hider=More BvS spoilers, still.]Just because Superman was [i]equally[/i] poorly characterised doesn't excuse the fact that Batman was too. If anything, it speaks to how badly Snyder and the writers misinterpreted what people like about Superman and Batman. I wasn't a huge fan of Man of Steel but it struck me as a "serious" (or "realistic) interpretation of Superman, not a particularly grim of dystopian one, whereas I feel like Snyder has flitted away from serious towards grim to excuse making a "Dark Knight Returns"-esque film. The problem being for me that it's not [i]enough[/i] to simply say: "Hey! Batman are Superman are dicks now because... bad things happen!" You have to actually convince me that these bad things happening would make Bruce depart from the man he was. Does a poorly-written two minute conversation with Alfred and a shot of a Robin costume convince me Batman would suddenly start killing? No. If Jason [i]and[/i] Barbara didn't send Bruce off the edge in the comics, you're going to have a Herculean task to convince me that anything would.[/hider]
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[hider] The thing is though I don't see Batfleck as a straight up murderer. He's not actively killing, in fact most of the deaths caused by him could be argued as manslaughter. The guy with the grenade dropped it while it was live. The guy with the flamethrower could have not pulled the trigger. The only one instance to me that sticks out as straight up murder was when Bruce crashed the Dodge Challenger and then dragged it around for five minutes but even then you could argue some poor sap is alive in there, albeit it in critical condition. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not happy Bruce is as brutal as he is, in fact I would have preferred a young Bruce where these accidents weighed in his conscious but alas Snyder didn't go that route. 

On a separate note the most jarring error to me is the opening scene when Bruce is in Metropolis. He's driving a Jeep Renegade, a model only first released in 2015. It wouldn't have existed in 2013. So that was lazy product placement. If you were watching for it, almost every car was a Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep or some kind. [/hider]