[@Shorticus] http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/11/10/obamacare-architect-yeah-we-lied-to-the-stupid-american-people-n1916605 This is all that's going through my mind when obamacare is mentioned. -.-

[@Vilageidiotx]The main thing seems to be about pollution and environment. But I already said how government restriction made that actually worse, via Cap-Trade. And the way you can get people to not pollute is by creating private propriety, so for example, someone buys a lake and if someone damages their lake they bought, they can sue for damages. You might be right that were arguing different things, but I still thinks its common sense that all of these bullshit regulations DO hurt small businesses and saying they don't just doesn't make any kind of sense. There's another on a list that forced people to put calorie counts on all items on their menus, which costs a ton of work hours (time = money) to accomplish. Its not always state level, their's flat out bad regulations period. And environmental restrictions are often far too extreme. I don't think it's exactly as black and white as you made it out to be. And our tax system is ranked 53 in ease of use...I don't think I could call anything 'good taxes' with a straight face how are system is currently.

I don't think being a massive failure and purposefully lying a bunch and all the other things that the bill did or tried to do, was a very smart thing at all...That's beyond overthinking and giving him far too much credit frankly. I think it's a little silly to respect someone for that. But I guess when you call something the literal Best, I was under the impression you didn't think it was a failure. :P Well I don't dislike discussing politics, but there's warning signs where you know you will not get anywhere in discussing them...I respect that you are far more sensible than most. But I just don't want this to become a toxic thing and it's seems to be unavoidable if it goes on too long. I just know, more people DON'T like politics and prefer to keep people as happy as possible. I mean its not exactly, a political thread. ^-^ (Maybe someone needs to make a thread for it...)

Sorry everyone else. <.<