[quote=@Dinh AaronMk] Basically what Libertarians and what not forget. An interesting aside is that even without government in the market we'd still need government in the market to dictate what a free market is. Ultimately, free market capitalism doesn't really exist since on many larger levels it requires input. Whether in the grandiose requests and actions of the federal level (issuance of patents, investigation of, action against, and defining of what is a market scam (insider trading), etc) to the local level (heil County Board). [/quote] Yeh, you get rid of the government and those with property become the government. There ain't no utopia's, and every system is going to be chalk full of people trying to fuck you over. That's why I pull to the left anymore, because if imma be fucked over, I'd least like some consolation prizes in the bargain.