[quote=@Vilageidiotx] only for u bby But as for this thread... I have opinions but dammit I don't want to go through this rodeo again so i'll leave you folks to it. [/quote] I think at least one side committed to not taking it down the proper path so you don't need to worry. But for annoyance... The Dark Valley lab in Shadow of Chernobyl is the cheekiest of the breekis. Got narrow hallways? Let's fill it with jetties of fire that trigger if you walk over them with no prior warning.