[@tsukune][@Fabricant451]


So let me get a bit more in depth, 

Kingdom Hearts will never be more than an attractive mess. Its an average platformer, an ABYSMAL RPG and its plot is convoluted and stupid. There is a REASON that disney cartoons are made for CHILDREN, they don't fit in with halfway intelligent plots. And the combat is SHIT really really SHIT. I DARE anyone to defend the combat of  mash the X button and occasionally QTE. Like I said this is an FF thread, but if KH was allowed I'd put it below 13 and 5 in an instant.


13 is wack, anyone who thinks boring whiny characters like Snow and Hope are interesting need their heads examined. ANY character can be given something that's bothering them, that's not enough. There needs to be some ample character development, and in the case of a modern title GOOD VOICE ACTING. 13 has neither. Lightning is a boring stoic piece of furniture. Vanillie is a budget Rikku (and rikku is a budget Yuffie) Fang and Sazh are OKAY but they don't add anything to the story they just don't particularly offend me. They are not 'Good Characters' by any stretch.

Combat is linear as shit, and its not just that, its the fact that its linear combat in a linear game with no towns and no sidequests, and the main plot is paper thin and hard to stay interested in. Battle animations and Character designs are actually really good, but its basically having well dressed turd when the game is this shallow. Also 13 and 10's battle system cant be compared. Just look at the sphere grid and the amount of options you have to make an interesting  and vaired build. The paradigm system is 12's battleboard for kids. Building a party in 13 is like playing a visual novel. ITS PRE-DETERMINED.

I dare anyone to defend KH or 13 defending these points that ive said, and not just blindly ignoring the argument and use words like 'underrated' or 'overlooked'.
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Final Fantasy 5 is crap, ONE song cant save an RPG.

Final Fantasy 8 is kinda charming, but the gameplay suffers its pretty average, I do love the design though.

Final Fantasy 12 is pretty good, really interesting world, its definitely something different from the norm but its very playable.  Gambit system turned the battles into 'auto play' once you get far enough in the game which was stupid though. Its just about being average for me.