[quote=@Jig] I'm gonna suggest that the above line of discussion is getting personal, which isn't helpful. I feel that maybe [@Sigma] should step in, set an absolute date (although there already is one in the OP so I have no idea why it's even in question) and declare absolutely yay or nay about WMD's (although I think he already did - nay). For what it's worth, 'maybe they could's and 'maybe they couldn't's surely play second fiddle to telling the stories we want to tell? This is fiction; we can make even science up if we want to. Anyhoo, apart from working out plot-stuff with individuals, I'm gonna not wade any further into this, because it's looking dangerously close to playground squabbling and, the way this is going, I can't see this de-escalating, so I'd recommend you all step back and wait for Sigma too. GM is god and I'm sure we all agree that he gets the final say. [/quote] Sigma set a date, 1500 years after the ww3 or 4 or 5 since history was lost :)