[quote=@SleepingSilence] ...You are wasting my time...(I don't even feel like posting a full response)[/quote] That's not very nice, friendo. [quote] If you can't admit that going into the fucking weeds, just to be argumentative and nit picky, your full of yourself...You cannot bitch at me, for 'overreacting' of all people when your nitpicking is even WORSE and less worthwhile than mine. It is still millions that would of never cared, buying a ticket to go see a movie.[/quote] I'm not nitpicking. I was correcting. Fifteen million dollars does not mean fifteen million people saw it. I just want numbers to be accurate/ [quote] You're telling they weren't hoping people would bitch about how overly violent it was to get people interested in purchasing it wasn't part of their plan? They know how marketing works...and they aren't the only ones...[/quote] That's exactly what I'm telling you. If you'll notice, their own marketing materials never once showed anything overtly controversial. They're making the games they want to make and they know that Grand Theft Auto is a game that's going to garner controversy regardless because it's [i]Grand Theft Auto[/i]. Why would they potentially ruin their own creative vision just to drum up controversy? [quote]http://n4g.com/news/1735027/hatred-selling-more-than-witcher-3-and-gta-v-on-steam-at-the-moment#[/quote] Way to miss the forest for the trees. Hatred is not a top selling video game. The Witcher 3 and GTA 5 sold far more copies than Hatred ever will. We're literally repeating the same damn argument here that [i]controversy and controversy alone doesn't have lasting influence.[/i] No one talked about Hatred after it came out because it was a [i]nothing[/i] game. [quote]*cough cough* Also DOA 3 couldn't be legally purchased in US, (Not sure if that changed) which is why 'it isn't doing well'. Give me a fucking break. That's more disingenuous words...[/quote] But the thing is it is doing well. It set the record at Play-Asia. It's hardly a super success. But it's still not at the top of any charts because that's all a game sold via controversy amounts to. A tiny blip on a small radar. [quote] It can be a leading factor to it's success. So I will argue it can, not the ONLY reason, but IT IS one of them...it's not always just one reason why people buy things, I'm arguing it's a factor at play. (and a powerful one at that.)[/quote] That depends on how you define 'success'. You'll probably bring up Hatred if I ask for a game that has controversy as a leading factor in its success because that's your one. Your one game that used controversy to make a buck because that's exactly what it set out to do. Is Overwatch going to sell more copies because of Tracer Butt Controversy or will it sell decent regardless because it has Blizzard on the box? Controversy in games might be a factor in a small percentage of sales. The best thing 'controversy' does is open the door to people that might not have heard of it. But in your major titles put out by major companies who spend millions of dollars on marketing, they aren't going to use controversy to move product because that would be fucking insane. [color=ed1c24][b]Relapse was not controversial but it still sold. [/b][/color] [quote](The problem with EVERYTHING your saying is it doesn't matter IN THE SLIGHTEST. AANNNDDD IS STILL WRONG!) http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00024253.html (Sure, not as much. but it still existed...) Yet his most controversial albums probably sold the most overall...[/quote] The albums in his discography that sold the most were the two albums he put out after Slim Shady LP got him noticed for his supposed controversial lyrics, and those are regarded as two of the finest albums [i]ever[/i]. Both of those albums contained much more personal, introspective lyrics and songs about how controversy is stupid. Relapse was not a controversial album at all. The Slim Shady LP was a hugely controversial album. Every time a rapper drops a song with naughty words someone cries foul but that doesn't make it a controversial album. The biggest controversy with Relapse was that [i]it was a really bad album that people waited four years for[/i]. Have you listened to Relapse or did you just search 'relapse controversy' for the first hit? Because if it was such a controversial album you'd think there would have been an outcry over 'Stay Wide Awake' in which he raps about kidnapping and raping women. But there was nothing. Relapse is not a controversial album. There was no media blitz to ban the album or anything. There's no controversy there just because Eminem defended using the word faggot in a song. Rap music always gets picked on for being 'misogynist' but we're not in the 90s anymore when the idea of hardcore rap was making people piss themselves. [quote]You saying that is just needed to exist to sell, is a falsehood. Maybe not intentional but, that is a fallacy assuming the sequel means more money. I showed other examples of popular franchising making less, even though it was a sequel. And if even 1% of sales had to do with the controversy. That's over half a million people...Which is no small number...Granted that's just an assumption. But at this point I don't think I can get anywhere by actually trying...>.>[/quote] You showed examples of lesser franchises selling well but dropping off. You didn't mention the bolster in sales that ME2 coming cross platform had. Dead Space, Dark Souls, and Mass Effect are not Grand Theft Auto. Ask some random person on the street which of those four games they've heard of and I guarantee Grand Theft Auto will be the one people have heard of. The fact that each main entry in the GTA franchise has sold more than the one before it leads credence to my whole 'all it needed to do was exist' thing. Half a million units is [i]tiny[/i] when you consider that it sold damn near [i]sixty million[/i]. [i]Which only serves to further my whole point that controversy isn't as large a factor as you think it is in the gaming world[/i]. [quote]So, I think I'm going to just going to ignore this and drop it...but I know for a fact, I won't be the next one to bring this kind of B.S into the discussion...but I'll be the criminal for pointing it out...>.> Which I think its a little hypocritical, but whatever. [/quote] You got on my case because of an innocuous comment about GTA's sales numbers. I've only ever been defending my viewpoint here, friendo. But this whole thing has been incredibly pointless and stupid because it's a meaningless discussion